
Mariâs Episode â Get out of comfort zone! å± å¿å°ã®è¯ãå Žæããé£ã³åºãïŒ
Today let me introduce Mari, who is now working in Singapore after studying in Australia. The experience of studying abroad might change your whole life, which is her case, so how does she reflect now on twelve years of living abroad? Please read through this invaluable episode!
ããŠä»åã¯ããªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ã§ã®çåŠãçµãŠçŸåšã¯ã·ã³ã¬ããŒã«ã§å€åãããŠããMariããã«ã話ã䌺ããŸããããµãšããããã«ã±ããã®æµ·å€ç掻ã12幎éã®æãçµãŠã©ã®ããã«æ¯ãè¿ãããŠããã®ã§ããããïŒæ¯éãèŠéããªãïŒ
ïŒååã®Shoheiããã®ãšããœãŒãïŒ
1. 髿 ¡æä»£ïŒãªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ïŒããè±èªãããã§ã¯ãªããè±èªãã§ãåŠã¶ã
(Hiro) ã§ã¯ã¯ããã«ãæµ·å€çåŠã»ãããŠå€åãããææãšå ŽæãæããŠãã ããïŒ(Mari) çµæ§æéãé·ãã®ã§ãç®æ¡æžãã§ãŸãšãããšä»¥äžã®ãããªæãã§ãã
2005幎ãã¡ã«ãã«ã³ã髿 ¡çåŠïŒïŒå¹ŽéïŒ
2006幎ãããªã¹ãã³ãå€§åŠæºåã³ãŒã¹å幎
2006-2010幎ãUniversity of Queenslandã§å¿çåŠå°æ»ïŒ3幎ïŒãªããŒãº1幎ïŒåè«ïŒïŒ
2011-2012幎ã倧åŠãªãµãŒãã¢ã·ã¹ã¿ã³ã+ABA (Applied Behavior Analysis) çæ³å£«
2013-2014幎ãMonash UniversityïŒã¡ã«ãã«ã³ïŒå¿çåŠå€§åŠé¢ïŒæè²ã»çºéå¿çåŠïŒ
2016-ãã·ã³ã¬ããŒã«å€åïŒæè²çãæè²å¿ç士ïŒ
(Hiro) Firstly, please let us know where and how long you have lived abroad!
(Mari) I have lived for more than ten years abroad, and below is a summary.
2005 in Melbourne as a high school student (one year)
2006 in Brisbane for half a year to prepare for university (Foundation Year Express course)
2006-10 University of Queensland, Bachelor of Psychological Science (3 years plus 1 yearâs honors (dissertation))
2011-12 Research Assistant and Applied Behavior Analysis(ABA) therapist
2013-14 Monash University, Master of Psychology (Educational and Developmental Psychology)
2016- Working as an Educational Psychologist for Ministry of Education in Singapore
(Hiro) Mariããã¯ç§ãä»ãŸã§è©±ãèãããŠããã ããæ¹ã®äžã§äžçªæµ·å€åšäœæéãé·ãã®ã§ãããäœãããã«ã±ã«ãªã£ãã®ã§ããããïŒ
(Mari) 髿 ¡ïŒå¹Žçã®æã ã£ãã®ã§ãããçåŠçµéšããã£ãæ¯ãç§ãšåйã«çåŠãèŠããŠãããã§ããYFUäž»å¬ã®ãçåŠãã髿 ¡çãäœéšè«ãèªãäŒã«åºåžããããšã奿©ãšãªã£ãŠãæµ·å€ã«è¡ããããšããæ°æã¡ãæ¹§ããŠããŸããã
(Hiro) åœãéœåžã¯èªåã§éžã¹ãã®ã§ããããïŒ
(Mari) éœåžã¯éžã¹ãªãã§ãããåœã¯éžã¹ãŸããã芳å
ã§äžåè¡ã£ãããšããã£ãŠç°å¢ãçŽ æµã ãšããã€ã¡ãŒãžãæã£ãŠããããšã人ãããããã§ããæ®ãããããããªããšãããªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ãéžæããŸããã
(Hiro) The span of your living abroad is the longest amongst those who I have interviewed with. What brought you here?
(Mari) When I was a high school student (2nd year), my mother, who had an experience of studying abroad, recommended to me and my younger sister to study abroad as well. I attended an information session offered by YFU where people of similar age elaborated on their episodes, which inspired me. From then on, my desire to study abroad grew bigger.
(Hiro) Could you choose the country and city ?
(Mari) Yes for the country, and no for the city. I chose Australia because I had once travelled and liked the atmosphere as well as peopleâs personality.
(Hiro) 髿 ¡ã®ææ¥ã§å°è±¡ã«æ®ã£ãŠããããšãæããŠãã ããïŒ
(Mari) ãã¹ããã¡ããªãŒã®åäŸãè¡ã£ãŠãã髿 ¡ã«éã£ãã®ã§ãããïŒå€åœããã®çåŸãåããŠãããšããïŒåããŠã®è©Šã¿ã ã£ãã«ããããããã詊éšãç§ç®å
容ã調æŽãããªã©åå¥ã®å¯Ÿå¿ãåŠæ ¡åŽãããŠãããŸãããããã§åããPsychologyã®ææ¥ã§ãå¿çåŠã£ãŠãããªã«é¢çœããã ïŒãšæ°ä»ããããšãä»ã§ãèŠããŠããŸããåŸããç¥ã£ãã®ã§ããã髿 ¡ã§Psychologyãæãããšããã®ã¯ãã¯ããªã¢å·ããããªãã§ããïŒå¹ŽåŸæ¥æ¬ã«æ»ã£ãŠããŠãå
ã®åçŽçãšå
±ã«é«æ ¡ã忥ããŸãããããããã¯6æïœ12æã«å€§åŠæºåã³ãŒã¹ã«éã£ãŠãScienceãResearchããªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ã®æåçã«ã€ããŠè²ããªåŠéšã®åéãšåŠã³ãŸãããæ¥æ¬ã®å€§åŠã®äžè¬æé€ã«ãããã€ã¡ãŒãžã§ãããã
(Hiro) è±èªã¯ã©ã®ããã«å匷ããããã§ããïŒ
(Mari)åŠæ ¡ã§ã®è±èªä»¥å€ã¯ç¹å¥ã«å匷ã¯ããŠããŸããããã ãå
ã
è±èªã奜ãã ã£ãã®ã§ãè±æ€ãTOEFLã§ããç¹ããšããããŠããã®è©Šéšå匷ã¯ããŸãããããªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ã«æž¡ã£ãåŸã¯ãåšãã«æ¥æ¬äººãããªãç°å¢ã ã£ãã®ã§ããã¹ããã¡ããªãŒãå
çãåéãšã®äº€æµã§èªç¶ãšèº«ã«ã€ããŸãããæãªæéã¯æ°ã«å
¥ã£ãæŽæ¥œãèŽããªããæè©ãæžããšã£ãŠã¿ãããæãç·Žç¿ãããã®ã§èªç¶ãšãã¬ãŒãºãªã©ãèŠããããšãã§ããæ°ãããŸããããšã¯ãçŸå°ã®åãã¡ã®ææ¥ã«ã€ããŠãããããã«ã髿 ¡ã®ææ¥ã®åŸ©ç¿ã¯æ¯æ¥æ°æéãããŠãã£ãŠããæ°ãããŸãããã¯ãè±èªãããå匷ããã®ã§ã¯ãªããè±èªãã§ãå匷ããç°å¢ããã£ãŠããã£ãã®ã ãšæããŸãã
(Hiro) What was it like to study in an Australian high school?
(Mari) I went to the high school which my host familyâs children were attending. Although I was the first international student, the school was very accommodating. They were willing to tweak the content of classes and exams for me. For example, I selected Year 10 Music and Year 11 Maths, but I was exempted from the compulsory class, Religion. I am very thankful that the school also offered Psychology, as this was when I first found my interests in Psychology. I only found out later that Victoria was one of the only states that provided psychology class in high schools. I came back to Japan after one year, and graduated from the high school together with my previous classmates. Then, I moved to Brisbane and took a foundation year course for half a year. I took many classes including science, research and Australian culture with students from different backgrounds.
(Hiro) How did you practice English?
(Mari) Until I went to Australia, it was mostly only through English lessons in school. I only started learning the language at the age of 13, like most students in Japan at that time. Because I enjoyed learning English, I did study for English aptitude tests like TOEFL and Eiken though. After moving to Australia, I could practice English naturally through everyday interactions with host family, teachers and friends. During my free time, I often listened to songs that I liked, wrote down lyrics of the whole song, and practiced singing. That was a fun way for me to learn the language! Also to catch up with the classes in Melbourne, I did spend a few hours to revise the contents regularly. Looking back, I think the key was to âstudy in Englishâ rather than to âstudy Englishâ.

2. 倧åŠã»å€§åŠé¢æä»£ïŒãªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ïŒããå¿ç士ã®éãžã
(Hiro) ãããŠãªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ã®å€§åŠã«è¡ãããããã§ãããã©ã®ãããªããšãåŠãã ã®ã§ããïŒ
(Mari) 倧åŠèªäœã¯ååããããinternational studentã ã£ããã§ãããå¿çåŠã¯çŸå°ã®äººãå€ãã£ãã§ããïŒïœïŒå¹Žã¯ååŠå¹Ž400人ããªããŒãºã¯çŽ100äººãææ¥ã¯Theoryäžå¿ã§ããŸãå®è·µçã§ãªãã£ãã®ã§ãããããç§ç®ã§å®éã«æé£çã鬱ç
ã«ããã£ã人ãã¡ãã²ã¹ããšããŠæ¥ãŠäœéšè«ãèªã£ãŠãããããšãããããå°è±¡ã«æ®ã£ãŠããŸããåè«ã¯è¡šæ
æš¡å£ãšãããåçãèŠãæã«ãç¬ã£ãŠãã人ãé¡ãèŠããèªåãç¬ãã®ãã©ãããä»çµã¿ã«ãªã£ãŠãããããæ¥æ¬äººãšçœäººã®åçãèŠããŠãåãã°ã«ãŒãã®åçãèŠãæ¹ãæš¡å£ãã確çãé«ããšãã仮説ãç«ãŠãŠæ€èšŒããŸãããfEMGãšããåšå
·ã§åŸ®éã®è¡šæ
çã®åããæž¬ããŸãããæš¡å£ã¯ãã£ãããã©ãæ¥æ¬äººã®åçãå€ããŠæ¥æ¬äººã£ãœãèŠããªãã£ããããããã®ãããªãã€ã¢ã¹ã®å¹æã¯è¡šããŸããã§ããã»ã»ã»
(Hiro) 倧åŠã®åŸã¯ã©ããªããšããªãã£ããã§ããïŒ
(Mari) 4幎ç®ã§æå±ããã©ãã§ãªãµãŒãã¢ã·ã¹ã¿ã³ããšããŠåãããŠããããŸãããããšã¯ãå¿çåŠãåŠéšçãžã®ãã¥ãŒã¿ãŒãšãABAçæ³å£«ãšããŠçŸå Žã§çµéšãç©ã¿ãŸããããã¹ã¿ãŒãåãã®ã«çŸå Žã§ã®çµéšãå©ç¹ã«ãªããšããåŽé¢ãå€å°ãããŸãã
(Hiro) And then you went to a university in Australia. What did you learn there?
(Mari) Although half of the students at my college were international, when it comes to my program (psychology), the majority was Australian students. There were around 400 students during the first to third year, and 100 students during honours. Although the courses were mostly theoretical, what I remember most is this course where we got to hear stories from guest speakers who suffered from mental illness such as depression and eating disorders. As for my dissertation, I examined whether people are more likely to mimic facial expressions of people of the same ethnicity than those of different ones. I attached electrode on peopleâs faces and measured changes in facial muscle activity through a tool called fEMG (Facial Electromyography). Participants did show mimicry, but no bias towards own ethnic group was found⊠the picture was probably too old for respondents to recognize that this was a Japanese person.
(Hiro) What did you do after your undergraduate years?
(Mari) I worked as a research assistant in the same laboratory as a research assistant. I also tutored undergrad psychology students, and also worked with children with Autism as a Applied Behaviour Analysis (ABA) therapist. This opportunity provide me with practical experience required for a Masterâs degree.
(Hiro) 倧åŠé¢ã§ã¯ã©ã®ãããªããšãåŠã°ããŸãããïŒ
(Mari) 倧åŠé¢ã¯30å匱ã§ãã»ãšãã©çŸå°ã®äººã§ãããç§ã®ããã°ã©ã ã¯ãæè²ã»çºéå¿ç士ã«ãªãããã®ããã°ã©ã ã§ãã³ãŒã¹ã¯ãŒã¯ãå®ç¿ãç ç©¶ããæãç«ã£ãŠããŸããç ç©¶ã¯ããã¯ããªã¢å·ã®äžã§èªéçã®åã«å¯Ÿããè¡åçæ³ãã©ã®ããã«è¡ãããŠãããã®çŸç¶èª¿æ»ãããŒã«ã«æ©é¢ãšå
±åã§è¡ããè«æãæžããŸãããè¡åçæ³ãšäžèšã§èšã£ãŠã倿§ãªå®æœæ¹æ³ãããããšããŸãç°èã®æ¹ã ãšãµãŒãã¹ãè¡ãå±ããŠããªãããšãåãããŸãããå®ç¿ã§ã¯ã倧åŠã«ããã¯ãªããã¯ãšPrivateã®ã¯ãªããã¯ã§å€åããä¿è·è
ãåäŸã®çºéé害ãçã£ãå Žåã®èšºæãä»å
¥ãè¡ã£ããããŸããã
(Hiro) å¿ç士ãåãã«ã¯ãã¹ã¿ãŒãåãå¿
èŠããããã§ããããïŒ
(Mari) ãããªãã§ãããªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ã§å¿ç士ã®åœå®¶è³æ ŒããšããŸã§ã®éã¯æ¬åœã«é·ãããªããŒãºã«å
¥ããã®ããããã®1ïœ2å²ããã¹ã¿ãŒã«å
¥ããã®ããã®äžã®1å²ããããªã®ã§ããããç«¶äºçãæ¿ãããåŠçã¯çå¿
æ»ã§ããã¡ãªã¿ã«ãæè¿ã¯åœå®¶è©Šéšãã§ããã®ã§ãããã«å³ãããªããããããŸããã»ã»ã»ã
(Hiro) æ¥æ¬ã§ãæè¿ãå
¬èªå¿ç士æ³ãšããã®ãæç«ããŠããŸãããã
(Hiro) What did you learn as a postgrad student?
(Mari) There were roughly 30 students in my program, most of whom were locals. The program consisted of coursework, placement, and dissertation. I have conducted a state-wide survey on how behaviour intervention for children with autism was conducted in Victoria, in collaboration with the local organisation. For placements, I worked at a clinic affiliated with university and also a private clinic, providing assessment and intervention for children with learning and developmental difficulties.
(Hiro) In order to become a psychologist, do you need to have a masterâs degree?
(Mari) Yes, the regulation is very strict in Australia, and you need a Masterâs degree to be a registered psychologist. While this is to ensure the standards of registered psychologists, it is a very long journey for students studying Psychology. Many students are stressed throughout the studies because only the top 10-20% can get through to the fourth year (honours), and among those students, only 10% can get into the Masterâs course. Recently a national exam was also introduced, so it may become even harderâŠ
(Hiro) The Act regarding Certified Psychologist is also enacted in Japan recently.


3. ãããŠå°±è·ïŒã·ã³ã¬ããŒã«ïŒããçŸå Žãšã·ã¹ãã ã®æ¶ãæ©ãšããŠã
(Hiro) æµ·å€ç掻ã®ã©ããã§æ¥æ¬ã«åž°ããšããéžæè¢ããã£ããšæãã®ã§ããããããããªãå°±è·ã«è³ã£ãã®ã§ããããïŒ
(Mari) å
ã
髿 ¡çåŠã®åŸãæ¥æ¬ã®å€§åŠãžã®é²åŠãèãããã§ãããå¿çåŠã極ããŠã¿ãããšããæ°æã¡ããã£ãã®ã§ãªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ã«è¡ãéãéžã³ãŸãããæ¥æ¬ã§ã¯å¿çåŠã¯æç³»ã§ããããªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ã§ã¯çç³»ã§Scienceãšã®é¢é£ã§äœçœ®ä»ããããŠãããšããéãããããŸãã倧åŠïŒå¹Žçã®æã«ãããŸã Theoryãäžå¿ã§åŠãã§ããã®ã§å®è·µçãªããšãããå°ãåŠãã§ã¿ãããšæã£ãããšã決ãæã«ãªããŸããã
ã·ã³ã¬ããŒã«ã«è¡ã£ããã£ããã¯ããªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ã®å€§åŠé¢ã§åãã³ãŒã¹ã«ããã·ã³ã¬ããŒã«æè²çããæŽŸé£ãããŠå士å·ãåãã«ããŠããããšã§ãããã®æ¹ãããã·ã³ã¬ããŒã«ã«å¿ç士ãè¶³ããŠããªãã®ã§æ¥ãŠã¿ãªãããšãèªãããããããæ©äŒã ãšæãè¡ãããšã決ããŸããã
(Hiro) You could have returned to Japan, why did you decide on working abroad?
(Mari) I considered the option of studying in Japan as an undergrad, but I chose to study in Australia as I wanted to dive deeper into the psychology field. There is a difference in how psychology is situated in the curricula between in Japan and Australia, such that Psychology is categorized under science in Australia. I continued to stay in Australia after graduation as I have yet to delve into the hands-on experiences at that time. Why Singapore? There was a senior psychologist from Singapore who came to my university to complete a PhD. She told me about the opportunity to work as an Educational Psychologist in Singapore.
(Hiro) ã§ã¯ãçŸåšè¡ã£ãŠããä»äºå
容ãæããŠãã ããïŒ
(Mari) æè²å¿ç士ãšããå°éè·ãªã®ã§ãããä»äºã®ååã¯åŠæ ¡çŸå Žã§ã®ã¢ã»ã¹ã¡ã³ããã³ã³ãµã«ããŒã·ã§ã³ã§ããçºéé害ãæã€å¯èœæ§ã®ããåã©ãã®ã¢ã»ã¹ã¡ã³ãããããŠå
çãä¿è·è
ãšäžäººã²ãšããã©ã®ããã«ãµããŒããããã®ãã©ã³äœããè¡ããŸããé害ã®çšåºŠçã«ãã£ãŠã1察1ã®ã±ã¢ãå¿
èŠãšå€æããå Žåã«ã¯ç¹å¥æ¯æŽåŠæ ¡ãæšèŠããããšããããŸãããŸããæ ¡é·ãæå¡ãç¹å¥æ¯æŽã³ãŒãã£ããŒã¿ãŒãšçžè«ããªãããåŠæ ¡å
ã§ã®ãµããŒãã·ã¹ãã ã匷åããŠãããŸããæ®ãååã¯ããè¡æ¿çãªä»äºã§ããäŸãã°ãèªéçãèåçïŒãã£ã¹ã¬ãã·ã¢ïŒã®åŠçã®ããã®ããã°ã©ã ã®å°å
¥ã質ã®åäžãåŠæ ¡ã®ã¹ã¿ãããžã®ãã¬ãŒãã³ã°ãæµ·å€ã®äŸãåŠæ ¡ã®ããŒãºããµãŸããã¬ã€ãã©ã€ã³çå®ãªã©ã§ãã
(Hiro) ïŒäººïŒåœ¹ã¿ãããªä»äºã¶ãã§ããïŒ
(Mari) ä»äºã®ã¹ã³ãŒããåºããŠå€§å€ã§ãããããããšãŠãé¢çœããã§ãããçŸå Žã§ã®å®éã®ããŒãºãèžãŸããŠãã¬ã€ãã©ã€ã³çã®ä»çµã¿ãäœãããšãã§ããã®ã¯ãšãŠãå匷ã«ãªããŸãã
(Hiro) Then please share your job roles now!
(Mari) I work as an Educational Psychologist. Half of my work entails assessments and consultations to support students with special educational needs in mainstream schools. We also collaborate with school leaders, teachers and allied educators to strengthen support system within each school. The other half of my work is systemâs work. For example, we create guidelines based on research and schoolsâ needs, conduct trainings to school personnel, and improve the quality of intervention programs to support students with special needs.
(Hiro) It looks like youâre doing multiple tasks.
(Mari) Yes, it is very challenging to handle many things at once. But this is why itâs exciting and meaningful; we try our best to incorporate needs on the ground into a system such as guidelines.

4. æµ·å€çæŽ»ãæ¯ãè¿ã£ãŠããèªåã«äžããããããã·ã§ã³ã
(Hiro) æµ·å€ã«äœãããã«ãªã£ãŠããèŠåŽããããšãé©ããããšãªã©ã¯ãããŸããïŒ
(Mari) 髿 ¡çåŠã®æã¯ãåŠæ ¡ã«ãã£ãäžäººã®çåŠçã§å°ãäžå®ã«æãããšããããŸããããã ãçåŠæ©é¢ããšãŠããµããŒãããŠãããŠãããŒã ã·ãã¯å¯Ÿççãåãã£ãŠæããŠãããã®ã§å¿ã®æºåãã§ããŸããããŸãæž©ãããã¹ããã¡ããªãŒã®ãããã§ãçŸå°ã«éŠŽæãããšãã§ããŸãããèŠåŽããã®ã¯ããã¯ãå¿ç士ã«ãªããŸã§ã®éã®ããé·ãïŒç§ã®å Žåã¯8幎ããããŸããïŒãæ«æãããã«ãªã£ãããšãäœåºŠããããŸãããããšã¯ã奚åŠéã®ç³è«ã§ããããã¯ãæµ·å€ã®å€§åŠã¯ææ¥æãé«ãã®ã§ã修士課çšã¯èªåã®åã§è¡ããããšããæãããããŸãããç³è«ã®æºåã«2幎éããããŸããããäŒè€è²¡å£ããå
šé¡ã®è£å©ãé ãããšãã§ããééã ãã§ãªãè²ã
ãªé¢ã§è²¡å£ã®æ¹ãã¡ããµããŒãããŠãã ãããŸããããã®ãããã§ãèŠåŽããã£ããšããèªåã«äžããããããã·ã§ã³ãªãã ãšæãä¹ãåãããšãã§ããŸããã
(Hiro) Have you had any struggles or culture shocks after living abroad?
(Mari) When I first went to Australia, I was nervous as I was the only international student at that school. However, the agency informed me of how to cope with homesick etc., so I could become more prepared. My host family was also very warm and welcoming, so they also helped me adapt to the environment quickly. The toughest thing was again the long journey to become a psychologist (which took me 8 years). There were many times I wanted to give up. Also, preparing for a scholarship application was tough, and it took me 2 years. I am very grateful that the Ito foundation in Japan provided not only the full financial support but also gave me courage and confidence to pursue my passion whenever I faced any difficulties.
(Hiro) 12幎éã®æµ·å€çæŽ»ã§æµ·å€ã«æ¥ãŠããã£ããšæãããšã¯äœã§ããïŒ
(Mari) ïŒäººã§ç掻ããããåŸãªãã£ãã®ã§ãæ©ãããç¬ç«å¿ãæã€ããšãã§ãããšããã®ããŸããããŸãããŸãã10幎ãããã·ã§ã¢ããŠã¹ã§æ®ãããŠããã®ã§ãããã§è²ããªäººãšã®äº€æµããã£ãããšã¯å€§ããã£ãã§ãã以åã¯ç¥ããªãã£ã人ãšã·ã§ã¢ããŠã¹ãããŠã¿ããšãè²ã
ãšæ°ããªããšãèŠããŠããããšãå€ããŠããªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢äººãã·ã³ã¬ããŒã«äººãäžåœäººããã¬ãŒã·ã¢äººããããã 人ãå°æ¹Ÿäººããã€ã人ããã¥ãŒãžãŒã©ã³ã人ãªã©ãè²ããªæåã«è§Šãããããšãåºæ¥ãã®ã¯æ¥æ¬ã«ãããæ±ºããŠåºæ¥ãªãã£ãçµéšã ãšæããŸãã
(Hiro) What is something that you are happy about after living abroad for 12 years?
(Mari) I became independent at a relatively early age as I had to live away from my family. In addition, I have learned a lot from living in a share house. I have lived in a share house with people from Australian, Singapore, China, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan, Philippines, Korea, Germany, and New Zealand... This is something I could never experience if I was in Japan.

(Hiro) ä»åŸã®å°æ¥ã®å±æãªã©ããã°æããŠãã ããïŒ
(Mari) ä»Employment Passãåã£ãŠããã®ã§ãããïŒå¹Žéãæéãªãã§ãããªã®ã§ãåæ¥å¹ŽãŸã§ã«ãã®ä»äºãç¶ããããä»ã®åœã«è¡ãããéžã°ãªããšãããªãã§ããä»ã®åœããªãŒã¹ãã©ãªã¢ãªã®ããæ¥æ¬ã«åž°ãã®ããšãããšããã§ããŸã äœã決ããããŠããªãã§ããã
(Hiro) ããã¯äººçã®å²è·¯ã§ããâŠå¿æŽããŠããŸãïŒ
(Hiro) Do you have any future career plan?
(Mari) I have an employment pass now, but this is only valid for three years. Therefore, I will have to decide on whether I will continue this job or go to another country, in two years. The latter also includes whether going to Australia or Japan, so Iâm totally undecided.
(Hiro) Sounds this is a crucial turning point⊠best of luck!
5. ã¡ãã»ãŒãžããå± å¿å°ã®è¯ãå Žæããåºãããšãäžçãåºãããä»äººãšéãéã«é²ãããšãæããªãã§ïŒã
(Hiro) ã§ã¯æåŸã«ãçåŠãèããŠããæ¹ãžã®ã¡ãã»ãŒãžããé¡ãããŸãïŒ
(Mari) ããã£ã³ã¹ã蚪ããæã¯æãåã£ãŠïŒãæ°ããç°å¢ã«è¶³ãèžã¿å
¥ããããšã«äžå®ãããã®ã¯åœç¶ã§ããç§ãæ§æ Œçã«ããŸãåéºãšã奜ããªã¿ã€ãã§ã¯ãªãã£ããã§ãããèªåã®å±
å¿å°ã®è¯ãå ŽæããåºãŠã¿ãã確å®ã«äžçãåºãããŸãããå®éã«è¡ã£ãŠã¿ããšäœãšããªãããšãå€ãã§ãããäœãã€ãŸããããšããã£ãŠããè¯ã人ççµéšã ãšæãããšã倧äºã ãšæããŸããä»äººãšéãéã«é²ãããšãæããªãã§ãã ããã
(Hiro) Lastly, please convey a message to those who are interested in studying abroad?
(Mari) âDonât hesitate if you get a chance!â It is natural to feel anxious about going to a new place. I was not the kind of person who liked an adventure either. However, getting out of my âcomfort zoneâ gave me totally new perspectives. Even if something goes wrong, it can be a learning experience that you would never get to experience otherwise. Donât be afraid to choose the path that is different from everyone else.

Mariãããæ¥æåºå€ã®åæ¥ãšãããå¿ããäžããããšãããããŸããïŒããããã·ã³ã¬ããŒã«ã§å¯äžã®å¿ç士ãšããŠæŽ»èºãããŠãããã®å§¿ã¯ç§ã«ãšã£ãŠã倧å€åºæ¿ã«ãªããŸããæ¬¡åãå
šãå¥ã®åœããã®çµéšè«ããå±ãããããšæããŸãã®ã§ãæ¯éèªãã§ãã ãããïŒ
Thank you Mari for sparing your precious Saturday morning! I am also very inspired by your accomplishments as probably the only Japanese psychologist in Singapore. Next time Iâll introduce a totally different episode, so please keep in touch!